This potential customer apparently had the impression that we were a new company, and very small... and said that no one asks for IDs on any online purchases anywhere, and that it was silly for me to ask for it. Even said that I should just provision any and all orders that come in and worry about the fraudulent crap later.
HAH! IN YOUR DREAMS, BUDDY BOI!
I hit him back with the stuff below....
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If there wasn't a cost factor involved (Chargebacks, licensing fees, all the work required to get a customer set up initially, etc), then maybe I could see where your argument would hold up very well.
The simple fact of the matter is that there's a lot more that happens behind the scenes when a hosting provider (doesn't matter if it's shared, VPS, dedicated, cloud, SaaS type hosting) sets a customer up.
There's more anti-fraud reviews that go on than many people realize. Some providers just do a quick once over, while other providers (like us) scrutinize every order that comes in from a new customer. Existing customers are spot checked to make sure they have no past due balances. Past customers are checked to ensure they left and came back on a good note (for example, not owing any money from their last tenure with their hosting provider).
This isn't an uncommon practice, for both Solar or myself, personally. Solar has been around for over five years now and has always required ID on questionable orders. I've been in the online sector for nearly 15 years and handling anti-fraud reviews logn before I even joined the web hosting industry in 1999. One of the reasons I was brought on is because of my ability to sniff out fraudulent orders. In the past 13 years that I've been doing anti-fraud reviews, only 20 (previously legitimate) orders have come back as fraudulent.
When I worked for DedicatedNOW, I was performing anti-fraud reviews for them, and requesting IDs then.
Simple fact of the matter is this: As long as there are people on the internet, using credit cards to make purchases, there will be a plethora of fraudulent orders coming in.
If we had allowed these orders to come in first, provisioned them, and they ended up being fraudulent... how much money do you think a hosting provider would lose?
Take Solar, for example... we get between 20-50 fraudulent order attempts a week.
Chargebacks typically cost each provider between $10 - $35 per instance.
Let's not forget payment processing fees ($0.50 - $5.00 per instance).
Licensing fees? Between $3.75 - $15.00 per customer.
Labor costs in provisioning an order can range between $2.00 - $25.00
You can do the math on this.
As long as I am in charge of the sales and provisioning teams, we will continue to request IDs whenever there is a questionable order coming in. It makes for good business practices, not to mention the fact that I'm also protecting our potential customers from being victims of Fraud.
There's no way in hell that I am going to move away from how we do reviews... Ross has entrusted me with a majority of the day to day operations of Solar... I'm not going to do anything that will cause financial damage to the company. I will do whatever I have to do to ensure that Solar's assets are completely protected.






